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Last Post Aug 12, 2020 03:06 PM by Finn Leth. 8 Replies.
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Dick HoffmanUser is Offline
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Apr 18, 2020 12:49 PM
    Hi,
    I am a new member to this site.  I recently my wife and I looked at a 720 Endurance and we were very impressed with the quality and layout of this boat.  I am most familiar with Outer Reef and Flemming.  To existing owners, what would you say are the differences in the Hampton compared to these other two builders.  Also, compare the ride in rough seas.  Thank you for responding.  Purchasing a boat of this size and price is a big decision and we want to make the most informed decision we can.
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    Apr 21, 2020 05:44 PM
    Not having been in the market for a new boat for many years, I can not give a comparison to other builds. But owning our second Hampton (a 2006 680 which replaced a 558 Hampton) for the past 7 years, we are well pleased as how well the fit and finish has held up. Our guest are amazed once they find out how old the boat is.
    The systems wiring, plumbing, etc are are tops as far as accessibility and traceability compared to other boats we have owned or been on to help a friend trouble shoot a problem.
    We primarily Cruise the Gulf of Mexico and Bahamas and have found the ride to be as good as any boat we have been on considering the sea conditions. The 680 is very easy to handle and dock with just the two of us. We do not have a captain.
    Anyway, that is my unbiased opinion.
    Probably adds to your confusion.

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    Apr 21, 2020 06:06 PM
    Hi Mr. Hoffman,
     
    Thank you for your interest in our Endurance 720. 
    Feel free to contact me anytime.
     
    Robert Fiala
    425.765.7850 
    robert@hamptonyachtgroup.com 
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    Apr 21, 2020 09:28 PM
    Dick, I went thru this same exercise in 2017/18.  Looked at the same boats plus several others that were in the similar size and style (cruising).  We ended up going with an Endurance 658 vs the Fleming 65, Outer Reef 65, Offshore 62/64, Grand Banks 60 and Nordhavn 60.  My wife and I primarily cruise together with occasional guests so being able to handle the boat with just the 2 of us was paramount and we developed a list of about 25 "must have" items/functions in our search/selection of a new boat.  We have friends who have Flemings and Outer Reef 65 so my comments are based on observations during our search plus having spent some time on our friends boats.  So with that said, here are my thoughts:
     
    Fleming
      Fit and finish were about equal.  Fleming had a little more of serious cruising finishes/touches in PH and Galley.
      Engine room head clearance and access were better in Endurance  (I'm 6-2, not real flexible and do most of my own minor maintenance and repairs).   Finish in ER, bilge and Laz is nicer on the Endurance
      Master Stateroom is in the bow on the Fleming.  We required mid ship so this impacted our final decision.
      A lot of exterior teak, something I had on my previous boats and wanted to get away from.  My friend pays around $5-8k annually to have his teak maintained/varnished
      Interior is very traditional which is neither good or bad but personal choice.  We plan to spend 4-5 months a year on our boat and wanted more of a "home" feel and little more contemporary styling
      Did not have room for double stidd/captain chairs at pilot house (and maybe fly bridge but not sure).  Standard on the Endurance
      The Fleming 65 is 72-73 LOA vs the 658 is 68 LOA-this had an impact on the slip we could get (a lot more 65' slips than 70' slips are available in our area)
      The salon/galley/ph were more separated zones vs the open plan of the Endurance
      Ride-I have only been a passenger on the Fleming in seas of 5-7 feet on 8-10 seconds.  Based on similar sea state on our Endurance, ride feels the same. Both boats punch thru seas and do not slam when coming off waves.  I have had my Endurance in 8-10 feet on 8-10 seconds with 20 kts wind and the ride was the same.
      Fleming has less windage and lower profile which could have impact on docking during windy conditions.  We addressed that with getting larger bow/stern thrusters than are on the Fleming
     
    Outer Reef
      They tend to have smaller HP engines for similar size boat.   Both boats burn about the same fuel at same speed but I wanted ability to travel faster in case of emergency or weather issues.  
      Fit and finish is lower than Endurance
      Based on my friends boat, they seem to have more system issues than I have experienced on my previous boats.  I would say they use "B" grade system components and Endurance and Fleming use "A" grade.
      They have a lower price point than either boat and probably for a reason
      Did not have room for double stidd/captain chairs at pilot house and fly bridge.
      We plan to do most of our boating on the west coast and Outer Reef did not have any real presence or support in this area.  They are primarily located on the east coast.  Since we purchased our boat, they have added a dealer in WA  and have one relatively new boat in the area.  Hampton/Endurance has better support and service.
      Engine room head clearance is ok but not as good as Endurance
     
    Hope this helps and keep in mind this is just my opinion. YMMV
      
     
      
      
      
     
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    Apr 22, 2020 10:20 PM
    Hi Dick: Glad you found Hampton and this forum site. I agree with everything Chuck said, even the way he said it. Before I saw what he wrote I planned to say that while all 3 brands can do the job, Outer Reef is a "B" and Fleming/Hampton are "A's." 
     
    One of the most important aspect of a boat for me are stairs and ladders. In 2003 I was washing a boat and attempting to go down a nearly vertical ladder from the FB deck to the cockpit I fell, like 9 feet through the air. On this same boat, after 20+ years of ownership, the owner fell down a steep interior stairway and broke his back. I have also fallen on those stairs, but just landed on my butt. Here where I live a man was killed falling on his boat.
     
    Fleming is the worst offender here. Very crappy small ladders, Especially that that's the only way to get to the engine room. 
     
    The interior stairs on OR's are quite steep, like most boats. 
     
    Hamptons on the other hand have stairs that are more like what you find in a home. You have confidence. I don't worry about falling. And I especially appreciate that I can go to the Laz/ER without having to go outside the boat. As you can see, this is a BIG deal for me. 
     
    Also, the Hampton is just a much more modern design than a Fleming. Don't get me wrong, I like Flemings, and at one point figured I would probably own one. That was until I found the Hampton. With Hampton you get a lot more boat for less money, without sacrificing any quality, materials or components. 
     
    For a cruising couple I think the PH & Galley setup on the Hampton is more advantageous than the galley down setup of the Hampton. 
     
    This is just hearsay, but what I hear about Fleming is that they are not very accommodating about changes to the boats as they are built. Hampton on the other hand was super accommodating, both with the original specs, and then as we progressed through the build process. 
     
    Happy to help out any way I can and best of luck. 
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    Apr 23, 2020 12:23 AM
    Hi, let me add my thoughts. We are the owners of a 2005 Hampton 558. We've owned it for 12 months and travelled during the winter from Vero Beach through the Bahamas to Providencialles in the Turks and Caicos and back to Vero after getting chased out of the Bahamas with Covid lockdown in late March.

    It's not the size, model, or age Hampton you are talking about but it's Hampton design, thoughtfulness, and construction.

    We've owned other boats, but this is so well thought out that I have a hard time complaining about anything.

    We are extremely happy with our purchase and satisfied with our boat experiences.

    Robert and Susi
    MV Winterlude
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    May 2, 2020 05:20 PM
    Hi Robert,
    Thank you for your reply and advice. Greatly apprecaited.
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    May 2, 2020 05:25 PM
    Hi Chuck,
    Thank you so much for taking time to reply to my post.  All of your comments are extremely helpful.  Your comments on Fleming are the same reasons we ruled it out. Very well made boat but not going down a hole to get to the engine room and sleep in a V berth.
    Cheers!
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    Aug 12, 2020 03:06 PM
    Hi I am also a new member to this site as well as debating with myself if I go Fleming or Hampton
    On paper it looks like the Hampton is the "slightly" better choice but my concern is the lack of support and sales in Europe, I can not even find any used Hampton's in EU
    The model I would be most interested in is the new Endurance 590  (it looks fabulous) or a Fleming 58 
    It would be used to cruise all of the Mediterranean 
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